Peter Jay's dad Joseph
Hi Rodney,
You've been working to expand the Jay family on one side. Well I have been busy expanding the Jay family on the other side. I went to Salt Lake last night for a sleep test, and decided after to go to the family history center. I pulled up the Jay family history blog and started looking up a bunch of films for Ulster county. After spending about 4 hours staring at microfilm, I was burned out and decided to call it a day and go home. I just wanted to take a couple of minutes and find some better films to look at finding some microfilms that were more profitable to look at for the next time I come down. After not finding anything I thought I would look at ancestry.com. I thought I would just try a little fishing with different lures, and suddenly there was Peter Jay in 1800. I thought he didn't marry until 1806, thinking that he probably married about two years before Hiram was born in 1808, but here he was in 1800 already married. He must have been a newly wed. He was about 19, and she must have been about 16. He wasn't living in Ulster County, he was living in the city of Colchester in the county of Delaware. He is living in the same city as his uncle Moses, and his (Peter's oldest brother) Edmund. He, Peter, was living right next door to his older brother Joshua, and on the other side he was living right next door to his father, Joseph Gee. I'm not sure how Joseph fits in with the other Gees, but Moses has to be Joseph's brother. They were living next to each other in Middletown in 1790, and then they both moved to Colchester by 1800. J. Hiram's first name is probably Joshua, after his uncle.
Anyway, that is my latest theory, and your job is to prove me wrong, or point out the fallacies in my deductions. Let me present the evidence. Peter was born in about 1781. He married Ruth Hall who was born in about 1784. So Peter would be about 19 in 1800 and Ruth would be about 16 or maybe 17. The 1800 census for Colchester shows a Peter Gee, who's age is between 16 and 25. He is the head of the house, and he is sharing his house with a free white female who is also between the ages of 16 to 25. They have no children at this time. So the ages are a close match.
In the 1800 census, Joseph, Peter, and Joshua are all in a row, next to each other. As the census taker took the census he would probable go down the block from house to house. So these three probably lived in a row. This could indicate a close familial relationship. Perhaps, it was the dad's property and he subdivided it for his boys. Edmund and Moses are a little further up the list, but the census taker would probably go up one street and then down the other, so they might just live across the street. (Just wait, I'm only getting started.)
In 1790, on the census list, Moses and Joseph had two names between them, indicating that the lived close to each other even then. In 1790 Moses had not males children under the age of 16, but he did have 2 daughters. so he probably wouldn't be the father of Edmund, Peter, and Joshua.
In the 1790 census, Joseph had two sons over the age of 16, and 5 sons under the age of sixteen. That is seven sons and 3 daughters. In the 1880 census Edmund has one son between 10 and 15, and another under 10. If Edmund were one of the sons in the 1790 census who was over 16, he would now fall into the category of over 26, but under 45, which he is. Joshua is also over the age of 26 but less that 45. He would have been older that 16 in the 1790 census. Edmund and Joshua both meet the criteria to be Peter's older brothers and Joseph's oldest two sons.
In the 1800 census, Joseph is now over 45, and Moses is under 44 and has a son and daughter older that ten but younger that 16. If they were 10 and 11 then Moses could be as young as 32, so maybe Moses is really Joseph's oldest son instead of his brother. that might explain better why Moses goes with Joseph and the other brothers to Colchester.
In other words It really looks like Joseph is the dad, Moses is either his brother or oldest son, and Edmund Peter, and Joshua are Joseph's sons. Now, I have to find out how Joseph fits in with the rest of the Gee family. I'll still look for further evidence to prove my conjecture.
Love, Dad
You've been working to expand the Jay family on one side. Well I have been busy expanding the Jay family on the other side. I went to Salt Lake last night for a sleep test, and decided after to go to the family history center. I pulled up the Jay family history blog and started looking up a bunch of films for Ulster county. After spending about 4 hours staring at microfilm, I was burned out and decided to call it a day and go home. I just wanted to take a couple of minutes and find some better films to look at finding some microfilms that were more profitable to look at for the next time I come down. After not finding anything I thought I would look at ancestry.com. I thought I would just try a little fishing with different lures, and suddenly there was Peter Jay in 1800. I thought he didn't marry until 1806, thinking that he probably married about two years before Hiram was born in 1808, but here he was in 1800 already married. He must have been a newly wed. He was about 19, and she must have been about 16. He wasn't living in Ulster County, he was living in the city of Colchester in the county of Delaware. He is living in the same city as his uncle Moses, and his (Peter's oldest brother) Edmund. He, Peter, was living right next door to his older brother Joshua, and on the other side he was living right next door to his father, Joseph Gee. I'm not sure how Joseph fits in with the other Gees, but Moses has to be Joseph's brother. They were living next to each other in Middletown in 1790, and then they both moved to Colchester by 1800. J. Hiram's first name is probably Joshua, after his uncle.
Anyway, that is my latest theory, and your job is to prove me wrong, or point out the fallacies in my deductions. Let me present the evidence. Peter was born in about 1781. He married Ruth Hall who was born in about 1784. So Peter would be about 19 in 1800 and Ruth would be about 16 or maybe 17. The 1800 census for Colchester shows a Peter Gee, who's age is between 16 and 25. He is the head of the house, and he is sharing his house with a free white female who is also between the ages of 16 to 25. They have no children at this time. So the ages are a close match.
In the 1800 census, Joseph, Peter, and Joshua are all in a row, next to each other. As the census taker took the census he would probable go down the block from house to house. So these three probably lived in a row. This could indicate a close familial relationship. Perhaps, it was the dad's property and he subdivided it for his boys. Edmund and Moses are a little further up the list, but the census taker would probably go up one street and then down the other, so they might just live across the street. (Just wait, I'm only getting started.)
In 1790, on the census list, Moses and Joseph had two names between them, indicating that the lived close to each other even then. In 1790 Moses had not males children under the age of 16, but he did have 2 daughters. so he probably wouldn't be the father of Edmund, Peter, and Joshua.
In the 1790 census, Joseph had two sons over the age of 16, and 5 sons under the age of sixteen. That is seven sons and 3 daughters. In the 1880 census Edmund has one son between 10 and 15, and another under 10. If Edmund were one of the sons in the 1790 census who was over 16, he would now fall into the category of over 26, but under 45, which he is. Joshua is also over the age of 26 but less that 45. He would have been older that 16 in the 1790 census. Edmund and Joshua both meet the criteria to be Peter's older brothers and Joseph's oldest two sons.
In the 1800 census, Joseph is now over 45, and Moses is under 44 and has a son and daughter older that ten but younger that 16. If they were 10 and 11 then Moses could be as young as 32, so maybe Moses is really Joseph's oldest son instead of his brother. that might explain better why Moses goes with Joseph and the other brothers to Colchester.
In other words It really looks like Joseph is the dad, Moses is either his brother or oldest son, and Edmund Peter, and Joshua are Joseph's sons. Now, I have to find out how Joseph fits in with the rest of the Gee family. I'll still look for further evidence to prove my conjecture.
Love, Dad
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